Contrary to a lot of people, I actually like the zoom fly's. great review!i especially liked the extensive comparisons! the moderation team recommends that users wishing to ask questions do so in our daily Q&A post or Women's Version: Superior in all respects for me from slightly more relaxed fit, lower weight, to smoother and livelier ride. Sam: Going to lean towards the Peg 37 in these match ups. Update: My women's size 10 in D width, equivalent to the men's 8.5 has a somewhat more relaxed fit due to its thinner more pliable mesh and fits me better than the men's at true to size. Putting it side-by-side with the Peg, I’m not sure why you’ choose the clunkier Peg. The Zoom Air made itself known for a couple of miles here and there, but not consistently. Michael: The Endorphin Speed might as well be the Endorphin Pro Lite - it’s more racer than trainer, as far as I know, and that comes with its pluses and minuses. @Sam - which would you pick - nb 880v10 or peg 37? Peter: The NB 1080 V10 is the shoe that takes the Pegasus out of my lineup. Still a dialed in fit but less suffocating and more breathable and better suited to daily training for me. Update women's version: The women's midsole while of the same React foam and with a Zoom Air forefoot bag is tuned noticeably differently. The giant forefoot Zoom Air unit provides a distinct if not quite perfected new approach to forefoot cushion and rebound inspired by the Alphafly. (9) - The 'TMI Rule' - Individual posts highlighting bodily functions such as bowel movements will be removed at discretion of the moderation team.​. Oh wow! The Weekend Thread - Friday December 25th 2020. They do a fine job though, and keep the foot plenty locked down. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. I recently used a vaporfly flyknit 4% for a 55 mile effort, 50 mile race and an 88 mile race both on rail trails with mainly grass, crushed gravel, and loose dirt, leaves. You will definitely, these Air units. Hi,It seems like the Nike Peg 37 is on the firmer side from the comments? Other than that, if you were happy with Nike for what they did with the upper on the Peg 36 (🙋‍♂️) then you’ll be equally as happy as what they did with the Peg 37. Have you tried that? Hard to find a spot in my rotation. I never ran in the Fly 3s but been eyeing them for quite some time. on the Pegasus), that the men’s and women’s versions differ in the makeup of the midsole. The front Zoom Air unit is the most noticed feature. Of course, please make sure to read our Comparisons section, where we have a ton of comparisons to the leading trainers out there today! The GoRun 7+ Hyper is an outstanding fun new school trainer. Something dramatic changed in the 36 and I barely put any miles in it and I personally felt the Turbo 2 was too soft for me. I appreciated the touch of extra length as the toe box is pointy. Even at 165lbs would I like lower PSI women’s better? Sam: Sorry Jeff, I found the Triumph 17 while soft and protective just not as exciting as the Peg 37, especially at faster paces. If you were disenchanted was the 36… you might just find yourself loving the Peg again. The TC is arguably the only carbon plated shoe in the market that isn’t billed as exclusively a racer, and while it brings a lot to the table, it also brings a $200 price tag that’s close to double the price of the Pegasus 37. The new 35 has one unit and I haven’t run in it. This thing fits like a glove, with a notched tongue that locks into place just so, and eyelets that I truthfully thought were going to be cumbersome (why change what works?) I was intrigued by the change to React, not my favorite foam as I find it, while light and resilient quite dull but clearly an improvement over Cushlon. It has a fun-to-run quality that is hard to quantify other than this - after a couple of runs I told Sam that this shoe makes me resent rest days and I don’t know a higher compliment I can give. There are other Pegs that I have loved  (Hello 35), but this isn’t one of them. It’s hard to know. And it’ll just come down to this: want firmer? I have developed a new test that will help me test outsole performance for years to come, and it is The Running With a Dog in Wet Conditions Test. Wondering how these would compare to the Hyperion Tempo. Comparisons to the Brooks Launch and adidas Boston? The React foam is somewhat softer to touch and this is felt on the run. I liked the cushlon. It’s undeniably aggressive - maybe too aggressive as a daily trainer for most - but a quite fun ride. Jeff: Both fit true-to-size. Ultimately, this actually is a really close call. So a fairly significant difference between the two. No comparison really. The New Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 (left) still features a translucent upper material that you loved about the Nike Pegasus Turbo, but it’s even lighter in the Nike Pegasus Turbo 2. I just wish Nike had found a way to integrate the Zoom Air units in a less noticeable (and therefore more comfortable) way. I get the appeal, it’s a middle of the road trainer that doesn’t do anything wrong - and for some folks that’s exactly what they want. The new Pegasus launch is like the pseudo beginning of summer :) @Will Bates - I prefer the Hyperion Tempo. I give the nod to the Peg 37 but take those rails away and I would prefer the Infinity React. and slow, but especially at more conversational paces, I do notice those Air Zoom units, even after several runs in the Pegs. This includes 'Has anyone else experienced this injury?' but actually keep pressure off the top of your foot. Four new models the collection: the Air Zoom Pegasus 36, Zoom Pegasus Turbo 2, Zoom Fly 3, and ZoomX VaporFly Next%. He is 63 with a 2018 3:40 Boston qualifier. Bottom line is less about width differences a men's D to women's D here,, but... that the women's has a lighter more pliable mesh which gives a slightly more relaxed and noticed as such fit. Even runners unfamiliar with the makeup of the midsole will probably notice that “something is there,” especially on the first few runs. It’s not excessively soft or plush – just a comfortable shoe. The Pegasus Turbo 1 seemed like a good proof of concept with poor execution, while the Peg Turbo 2 refined it in a number of ways. Maybe the women’s model, with the lower air pressure (and, frankly, cooler colorways at launch) would be a better option. Sam has been running for over 45 years and has a 2:28 marathon PR. They’re fine, as I said, but not fun for me. I found the ideal Peg 37 run terrain was when pavement, dirt roads, and smooth trails were in the daily mix as the secure upper, solid denser React midsole, moderate protection plus rebound from the 10mm of Zoom Air, and great outsole provided a near ideal blend of characteristics. The 37 is narrow, even for a Nike. @Unknown - We worked to discuss the changes the 37 brought over the 36 - the change of the Cushlon midsole for React, the new upper, and moved Air units. Hi, I'm a PEG35 Shield user and it's time to replace them (winter is coming). But for now, she’s a very good, , and running with her is constant lateral, jerky motions - just the kind of motions that require a shoe with. The PWRRUN+ midsole is super protective and comfortable but still feels great at speed, and the upper is plush without being bulky. Nike Pegasus Turbo 2: The actual name of the shoe is the Nike Zoom Pegasus Turbo 2. This in itself is perhaps the most useful addition to the whole upper; in both the size 9 and size 8.5 I tested (the 8.5 being my usual choice), the midfoot band kept my foot locked in both sizes, even when the larger size was too long in the toe. Very interested if it would come off with a better ride, particularly in light of several comments of "stiffness". Jeff: Camry. He primarily runs the trails in Colorado but also holds a marathon PR of 2:45. is the Editor and Founder of Road Trail Run. The biggest takeaway here is that the React foam is a terrific improvement - one that saves the midsole, really - and the reworked Air units may need further tinkering to be perfect. Nike Women's Running Shoes, 20 UK Wide. Hi Anonymous,I did experience a little heel slip in my first run, and debated putting in a runner's loop to combat it - but by the end of the first run it had stopped and I never thought about it again.I don't have my Vomero 14 anymore (donated for lack of use) but going off of memory they have a similar stack height in the heel, but the forefoot in the Vomero 14 was much less substantial than the Peg 37. Michael: I would echo Jeff in “firm, and bouncy.” I don’t know that I would call the ride particularly “smooth,” and my hesitation comes (of course) from those Zoom Air units. I’m currently closing in on 30 miles on the shoe and right now it’s only an aesthetic gripe, but I don’t know if 200 miles from now it will be more consequential. The P37 is new, it’s exciting, and it’s imperfect - but it’s a look into the future, and one I’m excited to see improved with the Pegasus 37S, err, 38. Not great; no one will confuse this shoe for something from Altra or Topo, but it isn’t bad either. Many including me found awkward in feel as a result but OK. SCORE PROS CONS; 8 out of 10: Lightweight: Price > $120: Sure footing and fit. I assume they want you to land squarely on the Zoom Air unit to get maximum rebound but.. at slower paces, especially, the lack of flex and decoupling in that area tends to “force” the air unit up against the foot. I actually think the SpeedRoll in the Shift makes it a dynamic enough offering that I would choose it for most runs over the Nike. Here’s my conundrum: I can already tell that this is a shoe that I’m going to put a lot of summer miles on. @Anonymous - It's not dissimilar from the Epic React. Have any of you experienced heelslip? The 37 upper is more breathable, and feels better at uptempo speeds. Thanks for the review, how does the peg 37 compare to the salomon Sonic 3 balance? At $120, you’ll be hard pressed to find a full priced shoe in that price range that is so versatile and good. Jeff is the token slow runner of the RTR lineup as such his viewpoints on shoe and gear can differ from those who routinely finish marathons in three hours or less. While lighter Turbo is considerably more expensive and neither version agreed with me much, kind of sharp edged. Over the last decade I’ve tried on four or five different versions in my local running store, but never felt compelled to spend money on the shoe based on that experience. Or maybe PEG isn't the best choice for heavy guys at all? The P37 is somewhat firm underfoot - not as firm as the P36, to be sure, but much more so than the Turbo 2. I was also very intrigued by the giant Zoom Air upfront with its shades of Alpha Fly, although unseen here as it just below the insole and not near the outsole and exposed as in the Alpha Fly. Fast or slow miles, the shoe is very smooth - no surprise given the amount of R&D Nike has at their disposal. This includes the announcing of world records in titles.​, (5) - Please make your title descriptive. In its second iteration, the everyday-trainer-version of the Nike Zoom Vaporfly 4% is updated with a lighter, sleeker … I'd try before you can buy, if possible. Sam: I would agree Ride 8 is “pedestrian”. Nike Zoom Pegasus 35 Turbo. The biggest women's size that I see at Nike is W12. There’s nothing wrong with them, but I don’t love them and would run in other things first. No, I haven't tried any of the Flys. I’d take the Pegasus every day. If you’re looking for a shoe that can absolutely rip, the Endorphin Speed is it. I wear size 11 men, what size in woman's would you recommend? Not a good or a bad aspect, just one of those things that...is. Click HERE for our detailed list of our reoccurring threads. The 37th edition of the Pegasus sees the most significant changes in years with a new React foam midsole and a front only 10mm thick Zoom Air bag, the prior edition having a full length 4mm thick Zoom Air unit. It's Photo Friday - let's see your running pictures! Men's Nike Zoom Pegasus Turbo 2. The result is great traction and flexibility that leaves little to be desired. So, here, I’ll take an opposite position from Jeff - I’m a lighter runner (about 130 lbs., I would guess.. if I owned a scale) and so maybe this new gendered Pegasus isn’t for me. They don’t. Do you have any experience with that shoe and care to take comparison?As a fan of Cushlon (my first Peg was the 26 or so) I am a bit cautious because of what I read about React (never ran in full react, only Turbo 1 and 2 with their compounds). Otoh I really like dense cushioning in shoes like the EvoRide, Beacons or Adios. What was the driving force behind taking that first step? As I mentioned in the first impressions, the toebox is fine. Hoka ONE ONE Mach 4 Multi Tester Review: A Delightful, Light, First Class Ride. The Glideride is worth considering if you like that kind of shoe, the Pegasus 37 is worth considering for everyone. I’ll stop short of calling it fun, but honestly to me that’s a good thing. is a 2019 graduate of Northwestern University Law School in Chicago, with an interest in patent and intellectual property law. and slow, but especially at more conversational paces, I do notice those Air Zoom units, even after several runs in the Pegs. I haven’t been excited about React foam in previous models and I continue to be underwhelmed by it here. @phl0w - Yep, that's the shoe. I’m not a huge fan of React foam and the ride leaves me underwhelmed. I enjoy the Nike epic reacts for it softness underfoot. The 10m thick lower PSI front air bag provides plenty of cushion, more than say in a Vomero 14 or a Peg 36 (with its 4mm air bag) while having a more consistent, smoother toe off feel than any of the foregoing, While the Peg 37 for men's has somewhat sharp contrasts at different paces the women's is all super smooth regardless of pace. The former is a welcome change; I think React works beautifully in this shoe, and the ride is noticeably bouncier and more fun than with Cushlon (which I appreciated for its, well, relatively dullness and firm road feel). Indeed, we just recently adopted a husky-corgi mix, Waffles, who we think could become a good runner. Zoom Pegasus Turbo 2: Air Zoom Pegasus 37: Air Zoom Pegasus 37: Nike Air Zoom Pegasus 37 - Summary. Want squish? If you're unfamiliar the terrain consists for about 15 miles in the Appalachian trail, 26 miles on a dirt/gravel canal path and 8 miles on rolling roads. Is it the same stack height, upper etc. The pegs are pretty decent for rougher stuff imo. This includes giveaways, charity events, and promotional discounts. The Vaporfly should be saved for race day to prolong its life, but the Turbo 2 is … React just doesn’t hold a candle to FuelCell or Hyperburst for me. It has a fun-to-run quality that is hard to quantify other than this - after a couple of runs I told Sam that this shoe makes me resent rest days and I don’t know a higher compliment I can give. Jeff runs 40 miles per week, both roads and desert trails in Phoenix, Arizona. Michael: The NovaBlast is ASICS’s hottest new trainer - an absolute step in the right direction for the brand (and for neutral daily trainers, period). While I tend to favor a thicker and/or softer midsole, I have found myself enjoying the Pegasus more than I thought I would. The flashy new Pegasus is anything but. What’s more, that feeling comes across not only as “oh, there is a new material here,” but also as a pseudo-hotspot under my forefoot. Indeed, we just recently adopted a husky-corgi mix, Waffles, who we think could become a good runner. On a left/right foot comparison, the 37 feels more dialed in and more at home at uptempo speeds, while the premium ZoomX foam in the Turbo … I want a shoe that does its thing for hours at a time (like more than 24 sometimes…) without drawing too much attention to itself. It’s a really fun ride - like I said, that React is a great upgrade - and the durability and well-constructed make it a no brainer. You can also follow RoadTrailRun on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Instagram where we publish interesting run related content more frequently as well as links to our latest reviews. 3.8 out of 5 stars 4. And as good as the Pegasus 37 is, the 7+ is a better shoe at basically every turn. 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