It has a fun-to-run quality that is hard to quantify other than this - after a couple of runs I told Sam that this shoe makes me resent rest days and I donât know a higher compliment I can give. I saw him treat people with different situation and problem maybe worse than yours, tell others. Michael: I would echo Jeff in âfirm, and bouncy.â I donât know that I would call the ride particularly âsmooth,â and my hesitation comes (of course) from those Zoom Air units. Apple products, pundits have observed, follow a tick-tock model: first, you get a revolutionary new gadget (âtickâ), and the next year a refined, cleaned-up, S-model (âtockâ). Vomero has a thinner forefoot, less cushioned and far more agile with a more stable rear of the shoe so a study in contrasts whereas Peg 37 while decently stable at the rear is narrower and somewhat firmer in feel. But being a bigger runner, the previous Pegasi never had enough squish underneath, especially for the shoeâs weight. Michael: Before the first run, I always try to dial in the lacing fit a little by putting the shoe on and walking around to let my foot compress into the footbed (just a minute or two will do it) before lacing up. This includes any question that could easily be answered with 'Yes' and 'No' responses. over the P36 upper (which itself was no slouch), but I still donât think itâs quite as nifty as that of the Turbo 2. Even runners unfamiliar with the makeup of the midsole will probably notice that âsomething is there,â especially on the first few runs. I mean theyâre fine, but theyâre not fun. Unlike the men's, can much more easily be a single shoe in the quiver for me. As with the Peg 37 it has an âunusualâ feature in its case long harder plastic side rails just above the midsole which hampered transitions for me. Probably the React Infinity for the added cushioning. No more. Sam: The Speed is what the Peg 37 or for that matter Peg Turbo could be. Not only does it keep the carbon plate from being a felt element in the mix, as the Zoom Air is in the Peg, but its cushion, smoothness, and propulsive feel is superior at all paces. The forefoot unit is big enough I couldnât feel where it started and ended (unlike the Vomero 14) and the result is a forefoot that feels thicker than it actually is. Theyâre not bad, just not inspiring on first run. Jeff: Both fit true-to-size. Nike Zoom Pegasus Turbo 2 Review. Jeff: All fit true-to-size. First impressions are: The upper is sublime. The women's upper is of the same material as the men's but is slightly thinner and more pliable. Efter tabellen gennemgår jeg hver enkelt sko i detaljer. The lacing is made up of what seem to be rubberized eyelets that look more like pull-tabs. Air Zoom Pegasus 37. Much appreciated thanks a lot for your help! As to the choice, even with the upcharge, I think the Turbo 2 is a better buy. While I tend to favor a thicker and/or softer midsole, I have found myself enjoying the Pegasus more than I thought I would. If you are the type of runner who uses one shoe for everything, this likely fits the bill. Well, Iâm happy to report that in several runs and run/walks with Waffles, the Pegasus 37 is as good as youâd expect it to be on wet pavement and grass (that is to say, very good). I assume they want you to land squarely on the Zoom Air unit to get maximum rebound but.. at slower paces, especially, the lack of flex and decoupling in that area tends to âforceâ the air unit up against the foot. If so is it because there is more react foam, more rubber outsole etc. The only time I really noticed the extra length was on steep uphills. I didn't realize I didn't contribute to the review at the time, but I put more than 250 miles on my pair. I just wish Nike had found a way to integrate the Zoom Air units in a less noticeable (and therefore more comfortable) way. No more. But the 37 I feel is a major step in the right direction and lightyears closer to the 35 than it is to the 36. Something dramatic changed in the 36 and I barely put any miles in it and I personally felt the Turbo 2 was too soft for me. This includes 'Has anyone else experienced this injury?' Sam: The women's version is what the men's should have been for most runners. And guess what? Peter: Well, different strokes for different folks. I assume they want you to land squarely on the Zoom Air unit to get maximum rebound but.. at slower paces, especially, the lack of flex and decoupling in that area tends to âforceâ the air unit up against the foot. Could one of the "lighter" reviewers (or any of the reviewers) test a women's version? The tread is thick, and the shoe has no issues with lateral (or usual) strides whatsoever. First run feel went from, âhmm, these are kind of bouncy--not badâ, to âthese are a solid, if uninspiring trainerâ to well, these are no NB 1080 I hope my run ends soon. I understand that the Vaporweave (ZF3) is more accomodating than the Flyknit, isn't it? Sam: Going to lean towards the Peg 37 in these match ups. Absolutely love them - a perfect blend of pop and cushion. Narrow â¦ Paired with the midfoot "wrap" my midfoot starts to hurt severely after 1km, to the point I have to undo the laces. Hi Anonymous,Compared to Sonic 3 Balance. The first time I ran the distance, I clocked a time of (2:08:39) back in September with a Nike Zoom Pegasus â¦ "It was an immensely solid shoe, with a Cushlon ST midsole and full-length Zoom unit, paired with a conservative but well-done upper - and I loved it.The Zoom Pegasus 37 â¦ Theyâre fine, as I said, but not fun for me. Great call on Vomero 14. He recently secured a 2:31 marathon PR at the Austin Marathon. The Pegasus 37 is great - but not. The Pegasus line has 3 shoes in our top 10 which shows how popular it is. You can also follow RoadTrailRun on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Instagram where we publish interesting run related content more frequently as well as links to our latest reviews. I donât need to rehash what the rest of the team said so Iâll keep this short: The fit is suburb and the lacing is so spot on that youâll forget the shoes are on. Visit all of our recurring threads. Jeff: Camry. I would not recommend the first-generation Turbo over the new Pegasus (not that itâs being sold), but, as capable a shoe as the P37 is, I think the Turbo 2 is just better. At slower paces the shoes feel a bit clunky, with too much rear stack especially for us midfoot/forefoot strikers. Don: After the Peg line, the Ride line has been an old standby for me on my big days on the pavement. Ive also used them for a 100 mile race that had similar terrain but not quite as rugged and again they held up fine. I canât wait to pull it on in those humid mornings - hopefully ones where we can run with friends again - and hit the roads. A shoe I panned last year comes back with a â¦ Thanks. The 10m thick lower PSI front air bag provides plenty of cushion, more than say in a Vomero 14 or a Peg 36 (with its 4mm air bag) while having a more consistent, smoother toe off feel than any of the foregoing, While the Peg 37 for men's has somewhat sharp contrasts at different paces the women's is all super smooth regardless of pace. At $120, youâll be hard pressed to find a full priced shoe in that price range that is so versatile and good. The upper is secure, simple and effective. As far as the translation of a men's 11 to women's that would be a 12.5 women's add 1.5 to men's. The front Zoom Air unit is the most noticed feature. The feel is all Peg but now leans more to all around daily training than the firmer need to activate the Zoom Air feel of the men's. New Balanceâs big daily trainer is the best it has ever been, and there are a few things it does better than the 37. The former is a welcome change; I think React works beautifully in this shoe, and the ride is noticeably bouncier and more fun than with Cushlon (which I appreciated for its, well, relatively dullness and firm road feel). Nike has swapped out the Flywire-based loops for more individualized bands that are more integrated with the upper. The Glideride has an edge in cushioning and protection, and I really like itâs pronounced geometry - but I get that it isnât for everyone. This thing fits like a glove, with a notched tongue that locks into place just so, and eyelets that I truthfully thought were going to be cumbersome (why change what works?) Update: My women's size 10 in D width, equivalent to the men's 8.5 has a somewhat more relaxed fit due to its thinner more pliable mesh and fits me better than the men's at true to size. Itâs a really fun ride - like I said, that React is a great upgrade - and the durability and well-constructed make it a no brainer. Article by Jeff Beck, Peter Stuart, Michael Ellenberger, Don Reichelt and Sam Winebaum, Official: menâs 9.6 oz / 272g US9, womenâs 8.28 oz / 235g US8, Samples: 9.73 oz / 276g menâs US9 10.5 oz / 296g menâs US10.5, Stack Height: 18mm (forefoot) 28mm (heel), 10mm drop. (4) - Please do not post elite race results in the title of posts. While lighter Turbo is considerably more expensive and neither version agreed with me much, kind of sharp edged. The upper is softer, and has more stretch, and the midsole is a little more plush. Will see if we can get a women's model in to review (in addition to our women testers, who are still logging miles). Itâs also worth mentioning how well I feel the Peg 37 felt on gravel and dirt roads. The women's in women's10.5 D width, equivalent in size and width to a men's 9 is lighter by 0.35 oz/ 8g. I liked the 36, but didnât run in it as much as the 35--too many other shoes in that category sort of crowded it out. The flashy new Pegasus is anything but. The heel is more forgiving, the rebound more noticeable. There are two reviews Iâll most frequently be referencing here, the predecessors to the new Zoom Pegasus (and of course, Iâll be comparing them to the P37, in the relevant sections): . The Pegasus 37 is a strong option for runners who want a single workhorse trainer focused on durability, shorter harder runs including workouts/intervals who prefer a somewhat firmer but no longer as harsh even punishing (for me) previous Peg. But if I had to pick only one? Itâs true - this shoe can be run in fast (Iâve done a couple light progression runs and hard strides without issue - in fact, I quite like it at a faster clip!) And as good as the Pegasus 37 is, the 7+ is a better shoe at basically every turn. that is butter smooth. Iâm not a huge fan of React foam and the ride leaves me underwhelmed. Those have been competitors to the Peg in the firmer lightweight cushion daily trainer category for some time. At ârestâ, if you will at slower paces or walking, there is a sense of the front of the foot being lifted up. Itâs a quite good buy at $120 (a threshold I hope Nike never exceeds with the Pegasus line), even when there are several competitive shoes at that price point. Those Air Pods are firmer than anything in the Epic React. I can lace up tight without any pressure now.The ride? Peter: One run in, so true first impressions here. Hi,It seems like the Nike Peg 37 is on the firmer side from the comments? The upper material itself is new from the P36; gone is the thin, close knit, almost sock-line material, replaced by a plastic-y, nearly translucent (though less noticeable in our dark blue colorway) mesh. You will definitely notice these Air units. Peter: What he said. Sam: While still a faster paces trainer, the additional forefoot cushion extends its versatility and range. And the stiffness was more noticed at slower paces than faster. While somewhat snugger and less breathable the Peg 37 upper is superior and its air bag provides more front cushion. This isnât a jack of all trades master of none, more like near-master of everything. Otoh I really like dense cushioning in shoes like the EvoRide, Beacons or Adios. The New Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 (left) still features a translucent upper material that you loved about the Nike Pegasus Turbo, but itâs even lighter in the Nike Pegasus Turbo 2. Iâll cut to the chase, this was just a damn good ride for me. Question. This means letting readers know roughly what your post will be about before they click. Update women's version: The women's midsole while of the same React foam and with a Zoom Air forefoot bag is tuned noticeably differently. Michael: The Cumulus 22 was impressive, considering its predecessor, but a littleâ¦ boring. I never ran in the Fly 3s but been eyeing them for quite some time. Want squish? Awesome Inc. theme. The laces go through them and then pull easily through. The React foam at the heel is decently cushioned and stable. Which would you recommend? Now weâve got React underneath the foot (a great midsole material that Nike is starting to put in EVERYTHING) with a sizable Zoom Air pocket underneath the forefoot, and it didnât take long for me to become enamored with it. Sam: I would agree Ride 8 is âpedestrianâ. Does dramatic overhaul mean good? See our index page with links 100âs of in depth shoe and gear reviews HERE. Michael: There are two big implementations to address on the midsole: the substitution of React for outgoing Cushlon, and the new placement of the forefoot Zoom Air units. @phl0w - Yep, that's the shoe. Overall I like the fit of the Saucony better too. This shoe will stick to the ground, and itâll do so for a long time. Not sure where the heel slip could come from as I have seen mentioned as the hold all over is so secure but some have very different feet than others. The latter is a bit more of an open question. However, if you can stomach the cost you get a roomy and comfortable upper (that holds the foot well) and a super plush yet responsive ride (thanks carbon plate!) This thing fits like a glove, with a notched tongue that locks into place just so, and eyelets that I truthfully thought were going to be cumbersome (why change what works?) Contrary to a lot of people, I actually like the zoom fly's. Post all accomplishments in our daily Achievements Thread, Post caught in the spam filter? @Harang - See above, still waiting to get feedback from someone who has run in both. On the upper, I agree that there is a little extra volume over the Pegasus â¦ Hi, I'm a PEG35 Shield user and it's time to replace them (winter is coming). The fabric in the Peg 37 has no give whatsoever and acts like a tourniquet. pronounced on the better-fitting 8.5, where my forefoot was more squarely locked-in right above the cushioning system. Rendered by PID 25747 on r2-app-02daf3b7b78f32fdb at 2020-12-25 20:27:38.395644+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: NL. Even at a faster clip, I had no hesitation around corners or downhills. The result is a much better cushioned shoe than the Pegasus has been (likely, I havenât tried on all 36 predecessors to name a champ) with a nice cushioned ride. I found the ideal Peg 37 run terrain was when pavement, dirt roads, and smooth trails were in the daily mix as the secure upper, solid denser React midsole, moderate protection plus rebound from the 10mm of Zoom Air, and great outsole provided a near ideal blend of characteristics. So, here, Iâll take an opposite position from Jeff - Iâm a lighter runner (about 130 lbs., I would guess.. if I owned a scale) and so maybe this new gendered Pegasus isnât for me. iI would also look at React Miler, Saucony Triumph 18 or Ride 13, and NB 1080v10. This includes any question that could easily be answered with Yes and No responses. And itâll just come down to this: want firmer? Michael: Iâve written in the past about how I - a primarily urban runner, now spending even more time on a treadmill due to the COVID-19 restrictions - never really notice a good or bad outsole, especially in the summer. Itâs rear stability is superior it has more cushion for sure and while it does not have the Air rebound the Speed Roll rocker makes slower paces just as easy as faster unlike the Pegâs somewhat in the way air unit at slower paces. Du kan springe direkte til anmeldelsen af hver enkelt sko ved at klikke her: - Anmeldelse: Nike Air Zoom Pegasus â¦ This includes the announcing of world records in titles., (5) - Please make your title descriptive. Also gone is the Flywire, replaced by a wrap-around midfoot band. Buy the Skechers! If you're looking for a more specific place to ask a question, have a more in depth conversation or simply need to get something off your chest, then check out some of the most active recurring threads we have! No question the forefoot is more cushioned and gone is the harsh yet also responsive feel of the prior version. Michael: Like Peter (and unlike Jeff), Iâm a recent convert to the Pegasus - from my logs, it looks like Iâve run in every version (now including the Turbo variants) since 2013. Michael: The NovaBlast is ASICSâs hottest new trainer - an absolute step in the right direction for the brand (and for neutral daily trainers, period). Sam has been running for over 45 years and has a 2:28 marathon PR. HyperBurst is fun and light, and now that Skechers has locked in the upper, itâs basically the trainer to beat for 2020. The GlideRide will work for someone who wants a stiff transition or really wants to work on getting onto their midfoot. Early reports of a tight toe box had me worried, but I was surprised how roomy I found it - and by roomy I mean completely adequate. No, I haven't tried any of the Flys. He primarily runs the trails in Colorado but also holds a marathon PR of 2:45. is the Editor and Founder of Road Trail Run. If you have more pairs than there are days in the month, then you can certainly find a spot for this shoe as well. Prior to law school, he competed collegiately at Washington University in St. Louis (10,000m PR of 30:21). Even runners unfamiliar with the makeup of the midsole will probably notice that âsomething is there,â especially on the first few runs. uptempo) to not feel dead. Unless there is some special magic I have not yet noticed I would not call this upper particularly breathable. Hi Anonymous,I did experience a little heel slip in my first run, and debated putting in a runner's loop to combat it - but by the end of the first run it had stopped and I never thought about it again.I don't have my Vomero 14 anymore (donated for lack of use) but going off of memory they have a similar stack height in the heel, but the forefoot in the Vomero 14 was much less substantial than the Peg 37. And can you compare the rode to Vomero 14 (react + full length but thinner air pocket)/, Hi Anonymous,Zero heel slip for me at true to size and also half size up. The Pegasus 37 takes the model in a new direction while maintaining its place and heritage as a solid and secure firmer daily trainer for hard miles and workouts. Head-to-head the extra cushioning in the Saucony is apparent, and is still my choice - but I could see more svelte runners appreciating the more streamlined Peg 37. The P37 is somewhat firm underfoot - not as firm as the P36, to be sure, but much more so than the Turbo 2. Nike Pegasus 37 vs Pegasus Turbo 2 for cross country running. How does the sizing compare to the 4% and/or zoom fly flyknit? The 37 is narrow, even for a Nike. Thanks for the review, how does the peg 37 compare to the salomon Sonic 3 balance? The new Pegasus launch is like the pseudo beginning of summer :) @Will Bates - I prefer the Hyperion Tempo. Nike Pegasus 37 vs Turbo 2. If youâre looking for a shoe that can absolutely rip, the Endorphin Speed is it. I was surprised, given the aesthetic here (and the fact that itâs a new shoe in 2020) to find the Pegs nearly tipping 10 ounces. Happy Holidays! I just wish Nike had found a way to integrate the Zoom Air units in a less noticeable (and therefore more comfortable) way. Did you get any cool run related gifts this year? I went with my true to size 10.5, and they fit perfectly. Smoother and more versatile all around but for the Pegâs superior dirt capabilities. In an effort to limit repetitive content, In December he raced his first 50 mile trail ultra. I believe the men's is 20 PSI and the women's 15 PSI? And guess what? Turbo 2 especially. While also a fairly stiff shoe, the Rideâs flat front geometry when combined with its copious higher stack there leads to a dull stiff toe off in comparison to the Peg 37 and I agree with Jeff the Peg upper is superior in hold and comfort. The materials are top-notch and the fit is sleek and stylish. Michael: The Endorphin Speed might as well be the Endorphin Pro Lite - itâs more racer than trainer, as far as I know, and that comes with its pluses and minuses. ).As to the rest, the P37 is certainly more akin to the shoes you like than the ones you don't, so I don't think it wouldn't work... though I was seeing the Pegasus 36 and Turbo 2 both routinely below $100, so either of those is still a compelling choice. The tread and air unit and its protection make the Peg 37 an almost ideal road to trail, dirt road easy trail shoe for me and most of my testing was a mix of pavement and hard packed smooth dirt and road baseThis said The outsole midsole is quite stiff in the area below the Zoom Air unit behind the single flex grooves above. Michael: The GoRun 7+ Hyper is another top-notch trainer, laden with HyperBurst and a revised knit upper that fits better than any previous Skechers Iâve tried - racing or training. Itâs a testament to Nikeâs recent offerings (and the running world in general over the past 24 months) that such a solid option may fall short of its peers, but I donât want to mince words: runners who purchase the Pegasus 37 will not be displeased. They are really beneficial on those days that your legs are â¦ is the token slow runner of the RTR lineup as such his viewpoints on shoe and gear can differ from those who routinely finish marathons in three hours or less. They donât. so am telling you today, don't ignore this, if you see this post, tell the next person who you think might need this. The new Zoom Air unit clearly not only takes the edge off but is more dynamic in rebound than previous lower profile units. He has a PR's of 4:07 marathon and 5K at 23:39. I feel like I have to work to keep pushing the Peg 37âs through my gait cycle. They donât feel 10 ounces underfoot - I would assert that the Cumulus 22, which comes in a couple ticks lighter than the Pegasus, feels clunkier - but itâs just generally a step in the wrong direction, if youâll excuse the pun. Compared to the Air Zoom Pegasus 36, the Turbo 2 is regarded as the everyday trainer version of the Nike Zoom Vaporfly 4%, or a faster version of the Zoom Pegasus 36. Don: Iâve been a long time fan of the Pegasus lineâ¦ up until the 36. Whatâs more, the midfoot in the Speed is noticeably plated and aggressive - itâs genuinely a difficult shoe to run easy in. He recently finished 2nd at the Chicago Half-Marathon in a PR of 67:43, and was the top Illinois finisher in the 2017 Boston Marathon (2:33:03, 82nd overall). The Pegasus 37, by that logic, is a tick. Itâs heavier than last yearâs model, and yet it feels nimble enough for tempo runs. I am a forefoot runner and feel that the Tempo is cushioned enough even for the 12 mile long run. I was surprised, given the aesthetic here (and the fact that itâs a new shoe in 2020) to find the Pegs nearly tipping 10 ounces. @Anonymous - Not a shoe I've worn, unfortunately! If I had to choose I prefer the faster forefoot of the V14 at faster paces even as the heel area is a bit heavy and off balance at slower paces. The Turbo version is a premium, more expensive version of the Pegasus. It is â¦ Don: Apparently we have a Goldilocks situation within our RTR family, because while it might have been not enough for Jeff, and too firm for Michael, The Zoom Air is just right for me! It's Photo Friday - let's see your running pictures! Prior to law school, he competed collegiately at Washington University in St. Louis (10,000m PR of 30:21). The forefoot feels a bit thinner but is more flexible and joins the rest of the geometry (decoupling groove and outsole) leading to smoother easier transitions at all paces. 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